There's been a lot of discussion, questioning, and 'splaining about the postdoc position: its purpose, why it's awesome, why it sucks, what it's really selecting for, how to change the experience... Personally, I have mixed feelings about the position, in general, and mine, in particular; I suspect this dichotomy comes across in my comments on other blogs. It's not something I have really discussed here, but since at least a few folks come around to learn something about this postdoc thing (not surprising, given I have subtitled this blog "A postdoc's tale"), perhaps it's time I did. Before I go into what the postdoc is about, though, let's talk about some of the big myths surrounding the postdoc.
Myth #1: You have to do a postdoc.
Negative, ghost rider. As a grad student nearing the end of your PhD work, you adviser will almost invariably talk to you about looking for a postdoc position--and from my colleagues' and my own experience, s/he will rarely mention other options. I suspect the reason behind this is that (a) it's what they know because it's what they did and/or (b) they assume all grad students are planning to head down the research track, if not the tenure track. If you have a pretty good idea of the path you want to forge, and you know it isn't the tenure track, then it's worth questioning this dogma. Talk to people in the positions you want to pursue; find out how important doing a postdoc is-or isn't.
Myth #2: There is only one type of postdoc-the academic research postdoc.
Most likely, when you hear the word "postdoc", you think of a PhD working at the bench in a lab with other postdocs and grad students at a research university. However, there are several different flavors of postdoc. You can do a research postdoc in a government lab or with a biotech or pharma company. If you're interested in teaching, there are postdoc fellowships and programs that mix teaching and research or focus on science education instead of research. You can even do a research postdoc at a predominantly undergrad institute; this grants the advantage of working with undergrads on a day-to-day basis. Plus some PUI departments, instead of hiring an adjunct for a semester, first offer postdocs the opportunity to fill open courses. I will confess that I know little about these other types of postdoc positions, as I am the typical research postdoc, but they do exist.
Myth #3: The only reason to do a research postdoc is to take a crack at the tenure track.
Another confession: I once thought that the only sensible reason for doing a postdoc was if you wanted to stay in academia and start your own lab. Sure, some people changed their mind along the way, but what was the point of doing a postdoc if you knew, upfront, that you didn't want your own lab? Turns out this is an absolutely ridiculous view. There are actually several career paths for which a research postdoc is preferred, if not required. Over lunch with trainees, the executive editor of a glamor mag (the science type, not the fashion type) commented that when hiring new editors, they liked seeing postdoc experience, especially in a field different from the applicant's PhD work. The reasoning, I gather, is that an editor should have some idea of how science is done and should be broadly trained, as a vast array of topics will be crossing his/her desk. So you go do a research postdoc, and after a year or two, you decide you're done with bench work; there are many places, both in and outside of academia, where that postdoc might help you get the job you really want.
These are major preconceptions that affect how grad students, postdocs, and advisers view and approach the postdoc. If they continue to be perpetuated, then it is going to be tough to have a productive conversation on the subject. What other urban legends about the postdoc need to be put to rest?

Myth #1: You have to do a postdoc.
Negative, ghost rider. As a grad student nearing the end of your PhD work, you adviser will almost invariably talk to you about looking for a postdoc position--and from my colleagues' and my own experience, s/he will rarely mention other options. I suspect the reason behind this is that (a) it's what they know because it's what they did and/or (b) they assume all grad students are planning to head down the research track, if not the tenure track. If you have a pretty good idea of the path you want to forge, and you know it isn't the tenure track, then it's worth questioning this dogma. Talk to people in the positions you want to pursue; find out how important doing a postdoc is-or isn't.
Myth #2: There is only one type of postdoc-the academic research postdoc.
Most likely, when you hear the word "postdoc", you think of a PhD working at the bench in a lab with other postdocs and grad students at a research university. However, there are several different flavors of postdoc. You can do a research postdoc in a government lab or with a biotech or pharma company. If you're interested in teaching, there are postdoc fellowships and programs that mix teaching and research or focus on science education instead of research. You can even do a research postdoc at a predominantly undergrad institute; this grants the advantage of working with undergrads on a day-to-day basis. Plus some PUI departments, instead of hiring an adjunct for a semester, first offer postdocs the opportunity to fill open courses. I will confess that I know little about these other types of postdoc positions, as I am the typical research postdoc, but they do exist.
Myth #3: The only reason to do a research postdoc is to take a crack at the tenure track.
Another confession: I once thought that the only sensible reason for doing a postdoc was if you wanted to stay in academia and start your own lab. Sure, some people changed their mind along the way, but what was the point of doing a postdoc if you knew, upfront, that you didn't want your own lab? Turns out this is an absolutely ridiculous view. There are actually several career paths for which a research postdoc is preferred, if not required. Over lunch with trainees, the executive editor of a glamor mag (the science type, not the fashion type) commented that when hiring new editors, they liked seeing postdoc experience, especially in a field different from the applicant's PhD work. The reasoning, I gather, is that an editor should have some idea of how science is done and should be broadly trained, as a vast array of topics will be crossing his/her desk. So you go do a research postdoc, and after a year or two, you decide you're done with bench work; there are many places, both in and outside of academia, where that postdoc might help you get the job you really want.
These are major preconceptions that affect how grad students, postdocs, and advisers view and approach the postdoc. If they continue to be perpetuated, then it is going to be tough to have a productive conversation on the subject. What other urban legends about the postdoc need to be put to rest?

Dr Becca · 787 weeks ago
I have this amazing image of Anna Wintour holding court at a conference table full of sweatshirt-clad grad students, discussing their career options, nose turned up at their dress. If only!!!!
Great addition to the discussion, BB! I think that finding that balance between "you don't have to do a postdoc" and "even if you don't want a TT job, a postdoc can be useful" is something that's going to be tricky for people who are considering the non-TT path. Like you suggest, grad students need to start talking and asking questions of those in non-TT fields. I think it's awesome that your department brought in the journal editor to talk to everyone. When I was in grad school we had a couple of field trips to some local biotechs, but that's all I can remember re: "alternate" career exposure. Students need more of these kinds of things, earlier and more often.
biochem belle 43p · 787 weeks ago
I wish our department was so open-minded as to highlight careers outside of academia. The journal editor was actually visiting for other reasons and requested to meet with trainees, thinking we might like to talk about the peer-review process or a career as an editor. It was a great conversation, and I think it's fantastic for alumni to try to make these sorts of connections with students and postdocs. I have had the opportunity to hear from several people on "alternative" career paths--editors, patent lawyer, scientific review officer for NIH, science writers... But I think my experience is pretty rare, and none of those interactions were actually initiated by the department I was in.
Comrade PhysioProf · 787 weeks ago
biochem belle 43p · 787 weeks ago
leigh · 787 weeks ago
in a couple of the fields i'm considering, a postdoc is good because you've learned how to apply your skills to something new, how to function in a different environment and gained some more experience. and hopefully branched out a little from your phd work.
it's also something to do that pays the bills while you figure out wtf to do with your life.
Dr. O · 787 weeks ago
Hope · 787 weeks ago
How does being a postdoc at these places differ from just being a staff scientist w/a PhD hired straight out of grad school? Is it the emphasis on publishing? Because all else being equal, I say take the staff scientist job, at more than twice what a postdoc would make and without an expiration date. That gives you all the exposure to research you need for non-TT jobs.
I also know several staff scientists at national labs who started working there right out of grad school and after 7-10 yrs went straight into tenured positions at very respectable schools.
biochem belle 43p · 787 weeks ago
One thing about doing a postdoc in pharma is that often they often have policies in place that prevent them hiring a postdoc as a staff scientist. So if you want to stay in pharma, you might have to change sites or even companies (although this is pretty common in pharma as a staff scientist, these days too).
Hope · 787 weeks ago
That’s odd. Do you know the rationale behind this? I fail to see how this is in pharma’s best interest—but I’m sure it must be….
biochem belle 43p · 787 weeks ago
JaneB · 787 weeks ago
Absolutely... and it's something that can give you some space to recover from any traumas inflicted by the PhD without making decisions that make life harder for you should you decide, a year or two down the line, that actually the TT is for you. There is nothing wrong at all with taking a job which, for all the genuine gripes about pay, pays better than most "just something to do whilst I get my head together" type jobs, keeps your skills current (or adds to them) and allows you to keep reading, publishing etc. You've already made yourself 'less employable' by getting the PhD - a post-doc, in my humble opinion, does not make that worse.
biochem belle 43p · 787 weeks ago
BugDoc · 723 weeks ago
There's nothing wrong with not being sure exactly what you want to do, but if that uncertainty saps your motivation to get your work done, your career may be impacted regardless of what path you take.
biochembelle 21p · 723 weeks ago
Hope · 787 weeks ago
Argh!!! This assertion is one of my pet peeves. Does anyone actually have any credible data to back this up? I have yet to see a job posting for any research position that I’ve been interested in (and I worked in between UG and grad school) that says “PhD’s need not apply.” If getting a PhD makes me overqualified for boring jobs that I don’t care about, all the better!
MrsChemist 2p · 787 weeks ago
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