Saturday, January 23, 2010

Into the void

In a recent discussion about the shifting focus of my project, Guru asked if I wanted to learn super cool method. I did. It was one of the reasons I chose his lab, and I told him such. His response: "You're too shy about telling me these things." This conversation made me realize that I may not have been very clear about what I'm expecting out of my time at BRI... and clarifying what is expected of me.

Oftentimes grad students and postdocs don't speak up, at least not with advisers. On an earlier post about establishing mentor and mentee expectations, DrDoyenne relayed her husbands feeling that trainees "failed to ask questions about what was expected of them or to speak up when they did not understand something". This is equally applicable to other areas of interaction with our advisers. We have a tendency to hide behind a mountain of excuses, and we lose out.



Widening the gap
Many times, when we fail to speak our mind or ask questions, we widen the communication gap between us and our advisers. So why do we do it? I briefly highlighted some reasons in my earlier response to DrDoyenne, but here are a few (expanded) contributing factors in my mind.

Village idiot/impostor* syndrome
*"Impostor" added in response to an excellent point by PhDamned
When you're starting in a new lab and/or new field, you sometimes feel like the village idiot. You don't know all the techniques, the terminology, the data from years of research that have pushed a project forward, the status quo on lab meeting presentations, typical expectations, and so on. You don't want to ask the obvious questions--whether or not they are, in fact, obvious to everyone. When you're the n00b, you can get away with some things, but you're not really sure where the line is. This is exaggerated when you're a postdoc because you already have the Ph.D., which means you should know some of this stuff; at least this is what you tell yourself. So you sit quietly, trying to understand what's going on, feeling completely lost.


Mule syndrome
Science selects for trainees possessing some sense of independence and persistence. This statement contains more truthiness, if you've decided to follow the tenure track. Independence and persistence are good--in the appropriate context. However, some of us could be described as stubborn as mules, which sometimes keeps us from asking for help when we need it.

High IF
Not impact factor, but intimidation factor. For some, speaking to anyone in a position of authority, is enough to silence them. This is feeling can be intensified by the adviser's standing in the institution/field (big cheese=high IF) or a trainee's perception of the adviser's personality. Regardless of the reason, when we feel intimidated, we tend to avoid interactions, especially if we are bringing in problems instead of solutions. And when we are forced into interactions, we hold back.

Past is present
We are all human, which means we carry our experiences and memories into current and future situations. If we've had difficult interactions with our current adviser or an adviser in the past, then we are hesitant to risk putting ourselves in a similar situation again. We also look to colleagues' interactions with our advisers. We hear "horror" stories from past or current lab members about how critical/apathetic/irrational/(insert your own key word) the PI is in one-on-one interactions with them. We sometimes let these shape our own interactions with our advisers--missing the point that other lab members' interactions and perceptions are colored by their own personality and experiences.

Other planet complex
This is a point we've touched on previously. Sometimes we connect with our advisers. We speak and she/he understands what we're saying and vice-versa. Other times it's almost as though we are on different planets speaking different languages. It's frustrating. We think we know what our advisers want/are asking and respond accordingly, only to realize they want something else entirely--and we can't figure out what that is.

Bridging the chasm
The communication gap between adviser and trainee must be closed if we're to have a productive and long-lasting relationship, something which will impact our careers. How do we do that? That's one I'm still working on, but this is my view so far: Try to figure out the major cause for the gap and adapt. There are some things we cannot change, like our past experiences or our advisers' personalities, but we can change how we react to them. For instance, I have to remind myself that Guru is a very different adviser than Bear, and I need to adjust how I communicate with him. We can also look to colleagues that do seem to communicate effectively and evaluate what they do differently.

In all this, though, we have to keep a clear idea of the purpose for this relationship. This isn't about making your adviser a drinking buddy or establishing a "sunshine and rainbows and lollipops" relationship with him/her. For me, this is about making me a better scientist and future mentor. I will not always like what Guru (or any other adviser) has to say; the critical point is that I appropriately interpret what he's saying and that I find my voice and make sure it's heard.




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PhDamnation · 793 weeks ago

In my experience with fellow lab mates, I think that village idiot syndrome can be replaced by impostor syndrome. My PI is a junior prof. I am his second grad student and one of my labmates is his first. My lab mate has been here for five years. He should have no problem communicating with the boss! (Pre renovation they shared office space, went out to breakfast and lunch together, and just hung out in general.) But I often find that he doesn't talk to him about things because he's afraid that the boss is going to realize that he is an idiot/shouldn't have been in the lab to begin with/ a waste of space/not worthy of graduating with a Ph.D, etc. Instead of talking to him about stuff, he just lets things build up until he freaks out. It's not good.
3 replies · active 792 weeks ago
An excellent point... and perhaps a more accurate descriptions.
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PhDamnation · 793 weeks ago

Sorry, I didn't mean replaced with on your post. I think village idiot syndrome is a perfect description of what you meant :)

I meant that once you've been somewhere long enough to outgrow village idiot syndrome, it can be replaced with impostor syndrome. So no matter what stage you are at, you just feel like you shouldn't be there.
No apologies necessary :) I agree with you. They can definitely go together and feed each other.
A communication gap with my senior PI has been the main reason for my bad week. It feels like the other planet complex at work. We had this email exchange that should have been really straightforward, but it's like we were speaking different languages.

I interact with my PIs in person on a daily basis, and I've become pretty attuned to their moods and schedules and stress levels, which often has me trying to balance staying out of their hair with staying on their radar when I'm waiting for feedback on something.
I think Impostor Syndrome feeds into Mule Syndrome. You feel like you'll be found out so you stubbornly plow ahead and don't ask for help. Because, obviously, everyone knows this stuff and to ask for help you'd just look like a fool.

But maybe that's just how I feel.
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PhDamnation · 793 weeks ago

I think you're dead on! And it seems that Other Planet Complex can feed into village idiot/impostor syndrome too.
I think that often there is no single cause. It's an amalgam of different issues because, as Amanda and PhDamnation point out, some of these things go together or lead into another.
I can identify with most of what's been said in the post and in the comments.

One thing that I (and I assume many others as well) find particularly difficult is not taking things too personally. But I try to think my way out of it. The intimidating PI, grumpy tech, wizardly postdoc, or sarcastic-tongued lab manager may not like what I have to tell them and might react badly, and there's nothing I can do about that--other than to be sure I know what I'm talking about. But this is communication that absolutely *has* to happen, if everyone is going to be able to continue doing hot science. And even if what I need to know or need to tell someone isn't a mission-critical piece of information, it can make things go so much smoother--for me, for them, or both. So the benefits to speaking up outweigh the risks of feeling foolish. And over time I'll build up a thick skin, and say less potentially dumb things overall. At least this is what I keep telling myself :)

That reminds me, I have an email to send re: a broken piece of equipment...
1 reply · active 792 weeks ago
One thing that I (and I assume many others as well) find particularly difficult is not taking things too personally.

I think some, if not most, advisers have no intention to launch personal attacks, but many trainees do take criticism or off-the-cuff remarks as such. In a previous post, I commented on my advisers' personalities. Bear (my grad adviser) was pretty hard on me, especially in my first year or so in the lab. He pushed me because he knew I could do more. He saw that I eventually responded in a constructive manner. It took time, but I learned not to take things so personally. This is an absolutely critical lesson to learn. Outside of the relatively protected environment of the lab, you will encounter people who question your work. Developing a "thick skin" in the lab will help you when you leave.
I've been in the lab for a year but am starting to shake off the village idiot title as the stink of FNG wears off of me. I am now starting to get comfortable with interacting with my PI and we have a good collaborative team of postdocs who will show me their techniques and ask to see mine. My PI is applying pressure now as he essentially treats grad students like mini-postdocs but I love the fact that he puts that much faith in us. Another bonus is that when we present our work, PI does a great job of questioning us and trying to poke holes in our data and assumptions so that we become our own worst critic and don't sound like a jackass.

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